On 28 Apr, 2005, at 13:32, Daniel Brieck Jr. wrote: Does anyone find it kind of annoying that in recent weeks, we have been shown Windows Xp ads on TV. MS I guess is just ensuring their investments, which is what Apple should be doing, right. Dan, I have been ranting for over six years that Apple needs to get a responsive public relations/advertising agency to tout their goods on TV, magazines, newspapers, etc. If Chevrolet and Ford advertised the way Apple does, we would all be driving Toyotas or Cadillacs. I will not go into all the details about the lack of pertinence or name recognition, but what does a commercial tell you when you have to wait until the final two seconds to see the Apple logo? By that time, I have gone channel surfing to see what is coming on and what channel it is on for the next hour of my viewing. MS just has a competent agency working for them. Apple has some jerk in a corner office that can't get away from the "avant garde" method. End result - some way out dancers with iPods superimposed on their silhouettes with no dialogue. End of rant.