First of all apoligies for the questions if they are stupid My problem is i recieved a power mac G4 from a friend who couldnt get it to work (he recieved it from work Specs are as follows 733mhz /dvd-rw 640mb ram When i attempt to boot i receive a smiley face /? on the screen I have done some research on the net http://www.lowendmac.com/woods/02/0322.html and i found this link which seems to describe a similar problem on an Imac I have tried the following holding down c and trying to boot from cdrom (nothing different it spits back out the cd) i have also tried the option-p-r to zap the PRAM didnt make any difference tried booting with just the cd with the hard drive disconnected no difference tried booting with an external firewire device didnt make any difference the only mac cd i have is the one that came with it os 8.5 Any help would be appreciated I am a complete mac virgin i know nothing apart from what ive read in the last 24 hours but i administrate and windows/solaris/linux network and know these operating systems reasonably well Thanks Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com