On 29/05/2005, at 4:18 AM, Kunga wrote: > Last year it was the 117 and 108 and in 2003 it was the 107. 117 by > the way was Apple's number for early 108's which can BOTH be firmware > upgraded to dual layer 109's for FREE. May I ask where? I checked both the Apple and Pioneer sites without any success. Gary Graf