Thanks to all who have entered this discussion about chairs and backs! Jay mentioned depth of the seat for petite folk and I had not thought about that altho I'm sure that's why I have a small hard pillow tied to my cheap chair. Richard mentioned it is the complete setup and I think that's very important. I have a script for the physical therapist here in town and I will try to get her to come out and critique my setup. Thanks Bob and Fabian for your suggestion about Aeron and others. Al mentioned the transition lenses, which frankly I've never gotten used to, and the "spot" where my vision clears requires me to bend my neck, as optometrist David Crandon mentions. Thanks to David for a wonderful essay on the visual aspects of this. I am doing better just without glasses, sitting close enough to the screen for clear vision and with the keyboard raised so my forearms are 90 degrees in re my arms. I may still need computer glasses, wonder if I can get these at Walmart. My ophthalmologist feels the reading glasses will not work for me because I need a minus prescription and these are a plus. I love my optometrist but have just spent $250 for the main glasses (which I really needed!!! Might have been part of the trouble!!!) and would have to spend more or less the same for the computer glasses as I don't have old frames. Maybe buy at Walmart, check script with ophthalmologist, if not correct script let optometrist put script in Walmart frames. Don't have to be cute, just work. Or just suck in the extra cost, as a service to humanity? (Try only to go to Walmart when I am desperate, like twice a year!) Al mentioned exercise. I am swimming twice a week and doing yoga on the other days. I felt much better before Xmas and then sprained my ankle and didn't get as much exercise as I needed (that ankle is still kinda sore). I probably need to do MORE exercise, it really does help. Thanks to you all - I'll let you know what works - it's prolly a combo of factors and once I get them all working in tandem I'll have real improvement. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design mailto:earthpigz at earthlink.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com