I'm running 10.3.8. I'm still back on the old time as of 12:40 EST. In System Prefs / Date & Time, if I turn off automatic, then turn it back on, it updates the time to the incorrect value. From which I deduce that the problem is NOT with time.apple.com, but rather with how the value is adjusted by the local software. The relevant articles from Apple include: <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305056> <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305051> The upshot of which is that 10.3 - you must update to 10.3.9 to be able to update for the correct time handling 10.4 - update to at least 10.4.5 for US/Canada timing and to 10.4.8 for all regions So there you have it... -- Garth Fletcher