They all require USB 2.0, and 10.4.10 so it looks like older system users are getting frozen out (unless you are a windows user, then you can still use the old XP). Does that seem fair? What happened to FireWire? Technically I don't see why older Macs can't run iPods. It's not tough. Shame I quite like the look of a iPod touch. John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/