The later MDD's were a bit quieter than the first 'Blowhole' models famed wind tunnel. Not silent, but substantially improved. Just looked at Low End Mac and their most expensive MDD model lists for $650 - a new Mac Mini might provide superior performance at a lower price, if the rest of the form factor work for your needs. There's a web site I can't recall that lists current street prices for all Mac models in all their release configurations. If someone knows what that site is, I'd appreciate being reminded! You might keep an eye on Craig's List or other sales/swap sites to see if you can't do a bit better. A few years ago I purchased a local 866 MDD, loaded w. software and with a large Apple monitor for $1,000 and thought that was a good deal. HTH, Jon Original Message: ----------------- From: Rick r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:52:23 -0600 To: g4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: Re: [G4] Re: G4 Digest, Vol 41, Issue 20 Brad While first gen. G5 are great but still a bit costly. And the Mirror Door G4 is simply loud (if you don't get a fan upgrade with your purchase)... I would look for a max out Quicksilver (2002) with a dual 1 GB processor and 1.5 GB of memory. That what I did and it fill my needs for now and runs my small rep firm as well. And yes, I using OS X 10.5.2 (Leopard) Mine cost me $260.00 and and shortly there after I sold my QS 733 MH for $200.00... for a difference of $60.00. via ebay. Granted I was lucky but one should be able to close on a QS (2002) for under $450 easily. By the way be sure to get a QS 2002... because the QS 2002 do not have a limit on the size of hard drives attached and had a faster processor chip and in general a better unit to work with and easier to upgrade and build-out. I've max out everything I can on this model, include a 750GB second hard drive with firewire as a backup device. Bottom line - the QS 2002 has a good cost value and still handles Leopard! Good luck and good hunting! Rich aka therepguy Houston //////////////////////////////////. On Jan 31, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Brad Russell wrote: "Still a little confused. When you say "specifically, when I scroll from message to message in my inbox is when it is less responsive" you don't mean actually switching from message to message but simply scrolling in the message window? I don't know why that would be any different than scrolling within a particular email itself." Sorry I'm not being clear. Simply scrolling in the inbox window is sluggish. But scrolling in the reading pane is fine. Also, Thanks for everyone's advice! I think I'm convinced not to upgrade the old gigabit machine but buy a newer machine. Any advice on which one? I'm wondering if I shouldn't look to a first gen G5 or if a Mirror Door one will do the trick. Again, I'm just trying to use Yahoo webmail, surf, use the newest iPhoto,MS Office, handle Leopard and hopefully one more OS generation. Any advice on a machine that would do that reasonably well? Thanks! Brad ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting