At 10:18 -0500 2/20/09, Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net wrote: >It doesn't help that the digest header contains inconsistent advice: > >>List-Unsubscribe: >> <mailto:g4-request at listserver.themacintoshguy.com?subject=unsubscribe> >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe...send a message with subject or body >>'help' to g4-request at listserver.themacintoshguy.com > There are two more problems that I have recently come across on another list: 1) People are getting wise to spam filters and they can, and should, look for : List-Id: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." <g4.listserver.themacintoshguy.com> to filter list messages. When they use the mailto: request they get a reply from someone named g4_request at listserver. . . which doesn't get passed through the filter. Because they don't reply to the confirmation, the list server assumes the request for removal was an error or deliberate malware. 2) HTML text is far too ubiquitous these days and many mail clients, Apple's OS neXt mail for instance, default to HTML and make sending in plain test difficult. Older listservers, when they come across UTF-8 "=?" features in the Subject: header can get confused. Actually, I send all such things to the trash can and miss very little. The poor souls trying to unsubscribe have no idea what's happening. It just "doesn't work" and they don't provide nearly enough information to help improve the process. -- I drive a 1982 rag-top Jeep and I can't lock myself out. I send email in plain ASCII text. I can't understand why things get worse each year, but I did like the arrival of lower case in ARPANET. But then my grandfather probably thought the same about horses and wet ink pens. Mom was allowed to go anywhere she wanted so long as she took the horse. He wouldn't get lost.