Chris, Jack's post made me think, why go with a G5 2x2, unless you're like me and need the RAM, since you're still on a G4 it doesn't sound like you are, why not go with either a Mac Mini or a MacBook. If it wasn't for my RAM usage, I'd actually consider a Mac Mini (my RAM requirements are part of why I'm not even considering an upgrade right now). Also as he notes, a single processor G5 will seriously out perform that G4/2x450Mhz system you're currently running. Or do you have my other problem, and have some classic Mac software that makes it hard to move off of 10.4.x and PPC? If so you might look into emulation to run that software. This is an issue I need to resolve prior to upgrading to 10.5. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |