Just a note, version 1.3.1 of CarbonLib has been known to cause some crashes and assorted error messages. Versions 1.0.4, 1.2.5, 1.4, 1.5 and 1.6 seem more stable. Apple should have most versions available on their site in the "older downloads section". John on 3/6/03 8:18 AM, Home Macintosh Users List at HomeMac at lists.themacintoshguy.com wrote: >>> Here is the link to download CarbonLib 1.3.1, which can run on OS 8.1: >>> >>> <http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/E >>> nglish-North_American/Macintosh/System/Other_System/CarbonLib_1.3.1.smi.bin> >>