----------------------------------------------- On 12/13/02 12:30 PM, "David Drumheller" <david at dcdrumheller.net> wrote: <<offlist>> Danny, Thanks (more directly, this time) for your writings on the history of movies, especially the 8mm format. Do you know the story behind sound films? It is my impression that silent films had been shown, commercially, for a few years before sound films were introduced, in 1922, or 1923. George Eastman and his team of engineers, had not devised a way to store reproducible sound on film. The first successful method of optically recording sound on film was developed by Joseph T. Tykociner. (Pronounced tick".oh.shin'.ner) He was born in Poland in 1877. He participated, with Marconi in the first trans-Atlantic radio (telegraph) signaling, on the European side of 'the pond'. In 1904, he was honored for his work by Czar Nicholas II, and was given a jewel-encrusted gold watch (which is now on display in the Smithsonian Institute, in Washington D.C.). In 1919, he came to the U.S. and joined the engineering staff of the University of Illinois, at Urbana. In 1922, he developed and demonstrated the method of adding an optical sound track to 35mm film. He traveled to Rochester, N.Y., to meet with George Eastman and discuss the pos I was a guest in Mr. Tykociner's large, stately home a few times, in the early 1950s. I remember him as very much a gentleman. ----------------------------------------------- <<Danny Grizzle:>> Whoops -- you are far ahead of me, apologies for the paragraph below. You should post this info to the list! No sense wasting it only on me! I am aware that there were a number of sound systems before optical sound emerged as the standard. Many of these involved attempts to mechanically synchronize various photograph recordings (wax cylinders, vinyl discs, whatever). When I started, an older audio guy asked incredulously, "You've never seen a wire recorder?" No doubt some early sound systems were independent inventors or maverick producers, and only one film was ever produced with some. Not all of them worked. I'm sure part of the equation was economics, studio rivalries, and patents, same as widescreen wars. But sound did not play out the same way as widescreen. As Microsoft so adroitly proves, customers are willing do endure calculated pain & suffering (as in the widescreen wars) but maybe not full blown anarchy. It is one thing to push exhibitors hard and make them buy a lens for each studio's films. But it would be out of the question to ask them to buy unique projection and sound systems for each studio's output. Producers can push exhibitors, but only the big boys do it successfully. George Lucas has the clout to enforce sound standards, and has marketing power with the public to generate a level of reward and return for theaters that invest in THX sound systems. Same is true for the 70mm film circuit. On the other hand, Doug Trumbull couldn't make Showscan stick (70mm at some outlandish framing rate, maybe 96 fps -- I can't recall). Some of my cinematographer friends from early years have gone on to have very successful careers in the IMAX business, another variant. I hope large format cinema can continue, though I have not heard of much expansion lately. At least I have not heard of any closings -- no news is good news. Digital projection is the next wave. Personally, I don't think HighDef is there yet, at least not on the production side, but that's another story... ----------------------------------------------- <<David Drumheller:>> As an aside, I have heard that there had been commercial 'movie houses' for about a year, before the takeup reel was invented; something like a wastebasket had been used as a resting place for the film, before it was rewound onto the supply reel. ----------------------------------------------- <<Danny Grizzle:>> This may be true. I've never known much about exhibition. It is a fact that bins such as you describe were used extensively by film editors. I've seen large 25 gallon size Rubbermaid trash cans with lint-free cloth liners. The editors take their dailies and clip them to a clothline-style wire, loose ends hanging in the lined trash cans. This is specifically where the term "bins" in NLE software comes from -- totally analogous to the bins used by film editors. ----------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------- Would you mind if I copied your message & my reply to the list? Thanks, Danny Grizzle ----------------------------------------------- Danny, I'd be honored to have you repost my notes with yours. (Please do post them.) <<snip>> David Drumheller (New Jersey side of the Philadelphia area)