And then this message make you look like REAl piece of work. Good points all, well taken. I totally agree. My comment about software was only that to run clean in OSX I had to get a bunch of new software. I really don't like having to run in 9/classic, since that is the only thing that gives me problems crashing hanging etc. But I did like 9 as well, compared to anything else. My Acrobat point was only that Ver 4 had a "print pdf" extension, that could be utilized by quark, and 5 does not. It works better, it just takes two steps now. Not a big deal, just annoying... but then again it handles eps files correctly now, so it's a pleasant trade off. I wish I had heard of Font Reserve... right now I'm using Font Agent. Now that it's stopped crashing and hanging, I quite like it better than ATM. m ________________ Matthew Guemple Art Director/03 mo.og at verizon.net 646.734.6601 www.gridd.com http://www.creativehotlist.com/ index.asp?linkTarget=fullProfile.asp&indID=19599