I will grant you that I am making an assumption or two, and yes, I do know what assume means. From what people have said on these lists, I gathered, right or wrong that DVD Pro was the big brother to iDVD, with the desirable part being that DVD Pro can burn a DVD to an external DVD burner, whereas iDVD requires an internal drive. Is this not true? I joined this list, and others, to learn. It seems to me, based on other programs Apple has made, in the past, that Apple included code to see if you have a newer system, and if not, wouldn't let you install iDVD, but will install DVD Pro. I can't prove it, bot LOTS of people have come to the same conclusion, and have said so. << That is so stupid it hardly merits a response. Do you actually know anything about the code base for these two products, or are you just making this up? What makes you think there is some well-defined block of code that can simply be "pasted" into iDVD? Do you know anything about what it takes to split a software baseline and create two copies for deployment on two different platforms?>> Two different platforms? I don't see how that applies here. I was under the impression from what I've read that iDVD and DVD Pro work in both OS9 and OSX. Is this not true? I don't have the $100 for DVD pro or an internal built Mac so I can't speak first hand. <<Sounds like your position is: people who don't give me what I want are bad - if I can dream that its easy, then its somebody else's job to make my dream come true.>> Not at all. Nobody is obligated to give me anything, except what I pay for or they promise me. <<Aside from that, just assuming that there were one line of code that would make DVD burning work on an 8600, why is Apple obligated to give that to anyone? It is absolutely ethical for Apple to restrict new capabilities to new platforms to "boost" sales. That's what it means to own a business - having the moral and legal right to decide what products you make and what the product does. (unless you're Microsoft).>> They're not obligated. Ethical? Probably. But, is it in Apple's best interest to alienate long time Mac users. I've been a cheerleader for Macs for a long time. (12 systems just in my immediate family) I think that entitles me to comment on something I don't think is smart or fair in my eyes. I am not a Mac sheep who says that Apple can do no wrong. It's the best computer out there, and most of what they do is 'right on'. But, when I don't like something they do, you can bet I'll say something, if only in the hopes that Apple will hear and change their stance. <<This is exactly the same kind of rant that MS is subjected to, and amounts to a rejection of business property rights. SR >> STeve