I was able to download the Mac OS X Dev Tools from the Apple Developers site after signing up. Where I went wrong before was simply not looking around it too much and being taken aback by the cost of joining the official program. I hadn't looked closely enough at the page to spot the correct links. Anyway I did find the Tools (had to download the April 2002 10.1 Dev Tools Beta since I am still on Mac OS 10.1.5) and got them downloaded (downloaded it in 10mb segments since I have a dial up connection). I probably still doing something wrong because I can't get all the way through using Missing MPeg Tools and Media Pipe but I have other alternative instructions to try using other tools as well as those supplied by Kunga. Something's got to work for making SVCDs or at least I can get to the point of being able to ask intelligent questions. -Dave -- David Thrasher 5631 Ovid Avenue Des Moines, Iowa 50310-1719 USA e-mail: idave at earthlink.net eBay name: daveindezmenez