This is soooooo un Macintosh like. Soooooo wrong. I know I'm gonna have to move to Jaguar some day, but claw marks on 9 are gonna be soooo deep. I sure hope Apple gets it to the point you can do anything without going to the command line. *sigh* Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated into X. I remember when I used to say that about MicroShaft . . . STeve - << p.s. And, while I stand by my recommendation, you can remove it by logging in as root or by doing a sudo rm from Terminal. >>