[MacDV] Re: Safari pros and Cons!

[Mark M. Florida]

Danny, I think that just about sums it up...  I feel exactly the same 
way.  I have gone to sites in the past that just WILL NOT WORK on 
anything but IE on Windoze... and I've never been back to those 
sites... this is not the way the web was supposed to be.  The whole 
internet is based on open standards and Microsoft always has their own 
agenda to shoehorn in their own proprietary crap that just makes 
everything break.  Leave it to Microsoft to bastardize everything they 
touch to fit into their plan of complete global domination of 
everything in the computing world.

- Mark

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 11:08  AM, Danny Grizzle wrote:

> On 1/8/03 10:08 AM, "Steven Rogers" <srogers1 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> What started off as such a simple protocol has now become so
>> complicated that it seems nobody can write a browser that
>> correctly handles everything.
>
> Also true: nobody can write a web page that will display correctly in 
> all
> browsers.
>
> There was a time when anyone could view source on a web page and see 
> how
> things were being done. No more. Did you know that most pro websites 
> vary
> the content being delivered, depending on which browser is making the
> request (every web click includes basic ID on what computer OS & 
> browser
> type/version).
>
> For the websites I produced, I've written a custom database content
> management system, and even after pages are authored, the design calls 
> for
> tons of moment-of-delivery dynamic "server side include" modification. 
> This
> even includes embedded elements like JavaScripts and navigation 
> systems.
> Anyone -- a student, competitor, client, or employee -- could stare at 
> my
> HTML source code in their browser, and never have any clue about the 
> real
> complexity involved behind the scenes, or have the first idea how 
> various
> things are being accomplished.
>
> Wearing my web developer hat, my one great fear is Microsoft. Their
> persistent and pervasive near-misses with open standards amounts to a
> deliberate strategy of muddying the waters for all competing stanards, 
> to
> give themselves time to develop proprietary competing products.
>
> Within the last week or two, it was reported that Sun Microsystems had 
> won a
> lawsuit requiring Microsoft to continue to include full, unmodified 
> versions
> of Java in all Windows operating systems. Deliberate 
> non-standardization
> wrecks the web. My biggest problem on the web today is caused by a 
> Microsoft
> Internet Explorer incompatibility with forms submission. Forms have 
> been
> with us for years, work great, and my content management system relies 
> on
> them. But MSIE 6.x (and Mac OS X 5.2) browsers have reliability 
> problems
> with web forms. The bottom line: either I port my application to 
> Microsoft
> server platform, Microsoft databases, and .NET architecture.
>
> I could go on...
>
> Danny Grizzle
>
>
>
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