On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 05:26 PM, Gerhard Kuhn wrote: > You must be the kind of customer they dream of, one born every minute. > Using analogy then if I bought a car that broke down every other day > it might be safe but I would should not expect it to be fixed? . . . This is a misleading analogy because a car, even today's complex cars, are literally millions of times less complex than an auto. You buy a car for basically one purpose - to drive. You don't often pull the rear wheel and throw on a generator or make other modifications that change it from the way it left the factory. There's basically one kind of gas and a few kinds of oil. The manufacturer tells you when to change the oil, and if you use it exactly as it was intended, it lasts until it wears out. If you drive it in a way that's not in line with what the manufacturer proscribes, or you change its configuration in any way, your warranty is void and you're on your own. If you were willing to take your computer as delivered from the manufacturer with the software they provide and never change the configuration and use it *only* for the purposes they describe, then you'd have a nice analogy with a car. Personally, I don't want to use my computer that way. And the idea that "If they'd only *told* me in advance that computers weren't perfect, then it would be fair" is not realistic. The kind of issues we're talking about here represent the state of the art in computers. Its not like there's some computer manufacturer who's turning out software without bugs and seamlessly upgrading hardware while Apple screws its customer base with inferior product. As a consumer, you have some responsibility to make yourself aware of what you're buying. No reasonably informed consumer should expect a seamless user experience (unless the computer's configuration is never changed). If you thought buying a computer would be analogous to buying a car, then you need to do some more research on the state of the art in computers. SR