At 9:30 PM -0500 1/29/03, James Asherman wrote: >Steven Rogers wrote: > >> >>On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 08:04 PM, Thubten Kunga wrote: >> >>>SteadyShot is better optical and Super SteadyShot is best optical. >> >> >>I tried to verify that somewhere on the web, but couldn't find it. >>Super SteadyShot is an optical technique. I couldn't find any >>documentation of what plain SteadyShot is. >> >>SR > >http://www.digitalvideoforless.com/steadyshot.htm >Jim Ok, not to fuel a debate but this reference is similar to others I have seen. I'm no video professional and I'm not looking for a fight. I'll let it go with one last description of how I understand all of this works from the perspective of an physics engineer who worked in real-time image processing, IR guided weapons... I suspect our disagreement comes from our definition of optical stabilization. So here is how I use those terms. 1) Pure Electronic Image Stabilization. In this scheme sequential images are numerically/electronically compared. The last image is shifted through by various amounts in both directions until the difference is minimized. This is the image position that is recorded. In high end implementation, the images can even be resampled and sub-pixel shifts can be evaluated. Obviously this require a lot of computing power but gives astonishing results and very high dynamic response for very high vibration situations. There are no mechanical moving parts which permits the high dynamic response. Because of the amount of computing power required, this is mostly for military applications. The process of matching images is called image registration. This process requires the image sensor to be elarger than the final image size or black bands will appear on the side. 2) Hybrid Image Stabilization. In this scheme, instead of comparing sequential images to measure the jitter, inertial sensors measure the acceleration vertically and horizontally. The acceleration are electronically integrated twice to compute the orientation change. The recent advent of silicon acceleration sensors permit very cheap and efficient motion sensing. Once the motion has been estimated, the image is shifted by the measured amount and recorded. This is the most affordable solution because it still use no mechanical parts and the use of sensors greatly reduce the amount of computing power that needs to be packed into the camera. However the sensors are not perfect and the measured motion is less accurate than method number 1. This also require an image sensor with more pixels than the final captured image to avoid black bands. 3) Mechanical or Gyroscopic Image Stabilization Here, the entire camera/lens is mounted onto an inertial platform stabilized by gyroscopes, springs and dampers. Typically this setup can also be used to steer the camera and is found in systems from Flir, Wescam, Sonoma Design... You find these stabilization systems under Helicopters, Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, and even mounted on some rails next to Olympic tracks to follow runners. Hugely expansive, but very high performance and provides a steering of the camera also. 4) Optical Image Stabilization Here, the camera uses a lens with a moveable optical group or prism . The group/prism can be shifted to counteract the pointing jitter. Typically, sensors (like in method 2) measure the jitter and instead of electronically shifting the image, the optical group is physically shifted to bring back the image on the same position on the sensor. Because of the requirement to physically move the optical group, the dynamic response is limited to lower frequency movements and very high frequency vibrations are not well cancelled. However the image can be shifted by minute amounts (fractions of a pixel) before capture by the sensor and this will generate better image capture. Physically moving elements also consumes more power and is harder on the batteries. This setup doesn't require image sensors to be larger than the final image size. http://www.canondv.com/gl2/f_image_stabilization.html My understanding is that all consumer and prosumer camcorders that announce stabilization use the method number 2 because it is cheaper and gives good enough results. I only know of the Canon GL1 or GL2 class cameras that use method 4. But then again what do I know ... cheers. PS: the link http://www.digitalvideoforless.com/steadyshot.htm works for me. -- Louis Demers ing. Louis.Demers at videotron.ca LouisDemers at mac.com