Oh, I wasn't talking about any unwitting carrier of the virus. I was talking about the individual originally responsible for sending it out. It just appeared from the way the messages were constructed that some Windows bigot was trying to use our list to cause trouble for us and I thought if this were the case then they must be truly clueless to expect a Windows virus to cause up any trouble. I forgot about the possibility of it being automated - which goes to show you how dumb machines really are once you think about it. It also explains that Windows XP newsletter someone keeps e-mailing me as though I'd be interested in that. -Dave Original message: Message-ID: <3EFB8F9B.7090301 at uaf.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:28:11 -0800 From: Jeff Fay Subject: [MacDV] Re: Just Curious David- What you are recieving is the result of a virus on someone's Windows machine that has the list serve address on it. Once the machine is infected, the virus searches the machine for email addresses and then sends out emails to those addresses with the virus attached to the message. The .exe files that are attached contain the virus. I don't imagine "a real moron" is involved as the machine and not the individual sends out these emails, usually without the knowledge of the individual. The only moronic thing these folks have done is to first buy a Windows machine, second not keep their anti-virus software updated and third use Microsoft Outlook, the most security hole-filled email client on the planet. Luckily, as Mac users we can just laugh maniacally as we send these virus-laden emails to the trash because they don't affect us (and, with any luck, they never will). Jeff David Thrasher 5631 Ovid Avenue Des Moines, Iowa 50310 e-mail: idave at earthlink.net eBay name: daveindezmenez