>>>>> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, "James" == James Asherman wrote: James> Let me say I have already performed my own biased tests. I use James> Norton speed disk. Takes 5 seconds to defrag and OTIMIZE the James> video storage disk because it is empty. It gets done w/ the James> Media setting. When I do my boot disk it take somewhat longer What you've written here is completely wrong. Time used for disk optimizing has nothing to do with access time or I/O. For sure any defragmenter will finish ''defragmenting'' empty disk faster that disk with files on it. But because it's EMPTY, not because it's defragmented. James> virtual disk space and the updates on the other and little James> holes where small pieces of OS used to be but are now deleted James> that this is a factual if not accurate representation .(the James> same goes for Apps and other files) I believe that when I James> defrag and Optimize, those holes are in fact filled, reducing James, I think you still didn't get the idea of what Peter is talking about. Because of all that reasons that Peter mentioned, you (or Speed disk - which is actually a DOS product ported to Mac -- completely different OS and completely different disk access methods) can not tell for sure that two consecutive rectangles in the Speed Disk window, represent sectors that are actually located in the consecutive (or even adjacent) areas on disk. And it is quite probable that while filling those gaps Speed Disk is actually making things worse because it is moving pieces of the same file into different areas of disk, thus making access time longer. Especially with Panther, which on itself optimizes disk access. And be sure that Panther knows better HOW to optimize that Norton. James> the number of possible bad or wrong choices that the disc James> controller might make in the future. I also believe that when James> it shows me and tells me the numbers of fragmented files and James> shows the contiguous space available that, that too, may not be James> actual but the fact that the space is being reported to speed Controller DOES NOT report to speed disk whether space contiguous or not. Speed disk decides this and draws the picture of what it THINKS is representing the drive. James> I know even though one could run for years without James> doing it, my business dictates that in addition to constant James> updates and downloads and my personal fun, that it is prudent James> to do this procedure on my boot disc in order to have the James> greatest flexibility and capacity I can. Existence of the empty sectors on disk or fragmentation/ de-fragmentation has nothing to do with capacity and/or flexibility. --Dmytro