Tape, such as AIT and DLT media, has some manufacturers boasting data integrity/archival capability. These can store, very slowly, large amounts of data, but are a bit pricey per GB. Additionally, the tape drives will set you back $1,000 or more. Those authoring commercial DVDs usually have to have a DLT tape drive (LaCie is about as affordable as the come on the Mac.) Tape, as in DV, or better, DVCAM, is not a bad idea at all. Keep your camera tapes, and offline your finished edits onto DV, and STORE THEM WELL (cool, dry, free from over-handling, and away from magnetic fields.) Disney, for example, is archiving its massive library of Beta SP (they OWN ABC, as it happens) onto DVCAM even as I type. So, big corporations like this idea. It is digital, CHEAP, and takes little storage space, even with the big 184 minute DVCAM tapes. DVD has the problem of low capacity, and by virtue of unproven chemistry, questionable archival characteristics. A central issue for DVD-R _or_ CDR recordable media relative to ATTEMPTING archiving is recording speed. This sort of media, recorded SLOWLY (1x-2x) will be VASTLY more stable and archival than the same media recorded at 48x. The laser etches at the same power at all speeds. Higher photosensitivity of the "certified" media (e.g. 52x) only means the media will be able to respond to fast burning, NOT that the burn itself will bear archival resemblance to a slower, therefor more deeply etched burn. It's all about the integrity of the pits versus the changing chemical nature within the substrate. Trusting ever shallower pits through faster and faster burn speeds equals lunacy. Our slowly burned CDR archives from way back when the FASTEST burners were 2x (and buffer underrun protection did not exitst) remain useable a DECADE after the burn. I've watched reports on the former TechTV that CDR's have 2-3 year lifespans, but in the same breath, they would also advocate 600x burn speeds due the need for advertiser appeasement. Hard Drives are dropping in price, and getting bigger all the time. If they die, there are many resources available to reclaim your data. This is not true of tape, nor of CD/DVD media. The problem with using hard drives as archive devices is it dictates that the drive will only be used for such archiving on a recurring, as need basis. This equals many, many hard drive boot up, shut down cycles. Drive manufacturers will tell you this cycle is the MAIN wear and tear on a drive, thus to archive in this fashion is to shorten the life of the drive. It's a Catch-22, but with a silver lining, which is the recovery industry which can't wait to give you back your data. Now, if you use a Firewire or USB external case for such archiving, always FIRST replace the case before seeking help with data problems. ALL the current Firewire/USB cases have their own issues centering around 1) power supply failiure 2) internal circuit failure which are NOT necessarily related to your hard drive data integrity. Hitachi (formerly IBM) will shortly have 400GB/7200 RPM drives on the market. Buying quality archive drives is essential, which means NOTHING from Seagate, and probably not even Maxtor (we've had a LOT of dead/dying Maxtors of late), etc. Western Digital and Hitachi are amongst the current nods, but all this seems to change with time. Manufacturers do NOT maintain quality standards to any strict sense of the word, as they choose raw materials from the CHEAPEST sources possible to balance the service life (or "customer service") to profit ratio. Can't wait to see someone perfect holographic storage. Maybe it will be archival nirvana. Well, 'nuff said to add to this debacle... Richard Brown On Jun 6, 2004, at 6:13 AM, William Hofius wrote: > The recent conversation about trying to re-import material from a DVD > raises an interesting question (for me at least)–How should one > archive their digital video projects? > > I am a pack-rat in just about every aspect of my life and have found > the same to be true of my digital lifestyle. I have only made a dozen > or so small iMovie projects, so I have kept all of the original iMovie > projects intact on my hard drive. I made a folder called "Finished > iMovie Projects" and once I have exported the iMovie to its final > format I place the iMovie project in this folder... just in case. Just > in case I need to re-export it, just in case I want to tweak it at a > later date, just in case. > > The problem is this consumes a lot of space. As my iMovie projects > have gotten longer, the iMovie projects have gotten bigger. I have > gone from a 20 GB Digital Video partition to an 80 GB partition and > now that is almost full. > > Making the space problem worse is the fact that my last few projects > have been done in Final Cut Express. These projects required that I > import several hours of digital video. Between the capture video, > render files, etc., these three projects consume nearly 80 GB in and > of themselves. > > I have been tempted to trash all of my finished projects, but was > recently reminded why I keep them in the first place. My in-laws asked > me for a VHS copy of all of my work so they could watch it in Japan. > (They are older Japanese and not very computer savvy.) > > OH, and just in case anything goes wrong, I keep all of my old tapes > around. After learning a hard lesson (forgot to import some footage > before I re-recorded over it), I buy new DV tapes for each and every > project. > > Enough blathering and down to the point. How do you fine folks archive > your digital media and your digital media projects? Do you keep > projects on hard drives forever? Burn projects as data to DVDs? Keep > the original tapes around? just don't worry about it? > > TIA