When you step out of the consumer ranks, the problems noted here essentially disappear. Just going to prosumer DVCAM makes a big difference as the DVCAM spec provides locked audio to picture. Additionally, our experience with things Canon are quite different: The Canon XL1 and XL1s can have wildly different recording specs between cameras, as in what one camera shoots another might not play back, and lack of locked audio (not to mention constantly variable bit rates which further confound sync) with Canons is another nightmare. We are posting an all-Canon indie feature shot on XL1 and XL1s cameras, and find only professional JVC decks can play back all Canon-shot footage effectively. Our Sony DSR series DVCAM decks cannot play back but perhaps one out of fifteen (maybe 1:30) Canon XL1/XL1s tapes, and the difference between the unreadable versus readable tapes is beyond astounding. NEVER subject a director to seeing, or rather, NOT seeing Canon XL1 footage on Sony pro decks. We had this experience, and thus were compelled to buy JVC for this edit. This speaks to the wild variance even TAPE to TAPE on the SAME Canon camera. Hammering a consumer camera as a VTR makes little sense, and is impractical in commercial facilities where every tape needs to be handled. The JVC decks, which are DV rather than DVCAM (even though DVCAM should play back DV fine), are vastly forgiving of the recording variance in XL1 footage, tape to tape, and camera to camera, and are thus highly recommended for posting all things Canon. You can get some of the basic JVC models for under $3000. The JVC's seem to play back ALL things Canon perfectly (so far, knock on formica.) Just DO NOT try to dub to DVCAM, JVC played back XL1 to Sony DVCAM, for example, as this will result in ever increasingly out of sync material. Unlocked to locked audio is a NO-NO... hence the "sync adjust" feature of Final Cut Pro's log and capture. The problem with this: Canon XL1 tapes are not easily archived or cloned, thus the camera tape is the fragile, solo master for many. DVCAM can easily be archived to DigiBeta or another DVCAM. Richard Brown www.go2rba.com On Mar 22, 2004, at 11:56 AM, R B Williams wrote: > We see many more Samsung & JVC cameras that need adjustments over time, > while Canon units stay within specs even after a fall. Not an > endorsement, just an > observation. > > R.B.