On 11/1/04 5:57 AM, "Gerhard Kuhn" <gerhardk at mac.com> wrote: > ?? > Not sure I understand the subtleties of your post. > > On Monday, November 01, 2004, at 07:43AM, Lene Wangmo <wangmo at earthlink.net> > wrote: > >>> Vancouver, anyone? I love my country too much to be able to any longer tolerate watching it destroyed from within by the theocratic fascist regime of the Shrub. A Police state is not part of my America's ideals. The Military/Industrial complex Ike Eisenhower warned us about IS the Neocon reality that has taken over my country, and sadly most of our citizens have been too dumbed-down over the last 30 years to recognize it. If Bush is reelected I will become an American in exile. Vancouver seems nice. America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. --Abraham Lincoln I hope we shall...crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. - Thomas Jefferson Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded with patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader, and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. - Julius Caesar on Patriotism Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither. - Benjamin Franklin Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders, that is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. -Hermann Goering (Nazi planner) To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Teddy Roosevelt [1918] Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power. - Benito Mussolini. If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied. - Rudyard Kipling >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacDV mailing list >> MacDV at listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv >> >> > _______________________________________________ > MacDV mailing list > MacDV at listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv