On Sep 21, 2005, at 12:55 PM, illovox at comcast.net wrote: > How do you find and install the firmware updates? Dude ! That's where the lists come in ! I searched through my trashy emails looking for the posts about installing a 109 found references like http://www.patchburn.de/ and DVRFlash You can google pioneer 109 mac firmware and come up with some more. and various firmwares and then I downloaded them and installed one or two. ( I am still 10.3.9. it's different w/ Tiger) It burns a DVD at 16X, loads anything I put in it and even erases DVD+RW''s and so forth. I think it worked. Maybe it wasn't even necessary. We'll see if I ever get double layer discs. Jim