I guess 'perfect' is 'relative'... :-) If I've got a cold, I'm usually flat by about 20 cents... otherwise, I can hear if something's out if it's about 5 cents either way. I'm much more accurate in the mornings after sleeping well. I never need another external reference pitch. The only times I have trouble is if I'm trying to identify material from one source and there is music playing from another source, particularly if it's louder - i.e., restaurant muzak while I'm composing. I can easily create my own internal reference pitches or chords to get me back on track if needed. Contrary to what most people initially think, it really doesn't bug me that much if an instrument is out of tune or if somebody sings slightly off key. I kindof allow for a certain amount of slippage... kindof like when a soprano substitutes an excessively wide vibrato for accuracy. However, I cannot listen to Kenny G... he consistently plays about 8 or 9 cents sharp. I keep waiting for him to even it out, but it never happens. What's bright to one is an icepick to another. While the 'parlor tricks' wear off quickly (identifying notes, chords, intervals and the like, without a reference), I appreciate it the most when I'm composing, since I can hear the completed piece in my head at the correct pitch and write it down wherever I am, as long as I've got blank staff paper and a pen. Many times, I compose directly into Finale when I'm at home, turning off the sound of my Mac and MIDI keyboard. It's a little faster, but I still enjoy writing it out by hand the most. The hardest thing is for me to transpose by sight... can't do it. If I see a C, I gotta play a C, and it's gotta sound like a C. I have tremendous respect for those who can transpose effortlessly. I suppose it's a fair tradeoff! Our choir director occasionally transposes some of the shorter elements of our Church Services, and it really knocks me sideways... kindof like sight reading times four and a half. >You Jedi, with your mind tricks.:-) >Just curious, how perfect is perfect? How many cents does it take >for you to hear that pitch is off and can you quantify it? And does >it have to be relative to another pitch? >-- >Jay > >On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:10 PM, Scott Jacob Loehr wrote: > >>>Which brings me to question of who the hell is worried about a >>>third of a semi-tone? >> >>Those of us with perfect pitch. >> >>Scott Jacob Loehr >>scott at folkloehr.com