Revdave, you wrote: Thanks - discarding my user folder inside the temp folder did get rid of the problem. For the heck of it - I spoke into the speak pad program - Enough so that it was ready to update the voice model again - unfortunately - it crashed the same way - with all new data in it - so I guess this proves that there's an official bug - at least related to 3.0 working with at least jaguar. -------------- As part of my NDA'd work, I've gotten the voice model to update again, although it sometimes crashes. So there's hope. But I can't figure out what "cgunther" is... anyone know? No, the NDA isn't with IBM, and I've got a strong bad feeling that despite what they say, there is no current bug fix or development under way, just PR. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com