On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 02:02 PM, Michael Bigley wrote: > have you tried unplugging the external -- all external -- devices and > going thru those various boot processes? My thinking is the hang is > coming before it is getting to any software, when the boxen is running > thru hardware/firmware checks. FWTDM does not, to my knowledge, do any > hardware checks. BTW, I would certainly back up everything while in > that mode, in case this is the beginning of something more severe. I > guessed CD because you were doing CD activity; it could be the > external burner, as well, or the port that the burner is plugged in > to. yes - all testing i have done has been w/ no peripherals . do you know if open firmware runs from the main g4 processor? or does it run from some sort of boot-managing micro controller other than the g4? --- http://www.mp3.com/lukeetyrnal (music no one likes) etyrnal at ameritech.net