On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 02:54 PM, Bob Jacobsen wrote: > So let's be quantitative about "much". The induced potentials of the > maximum RF power density allowed by regulation (which is much larger > than typical doses, including when transmitting antennae are placed > against the head or lap) is more than a factor of 100,000 smaller than > typical cellular potentials, cellular potentials being RF inside of cells? Do normal healthy human cells generally emit or naturally contain RF? It seems like you are saying that cells somehow generate / broadcast RF GREATER than that of the cellphone... ?? Potential? > and more than a factor of 500 smaller than the fluctuations in those > potentials due to living at room temperature. does room temperature create a state wherein RF is less stable? The potential from the cells? What would be a good source for me to read about the cellular potentials of which you specifically mentioned? > So "it doesn't take much", but the effects being talked about in this > thread are very, very, very too small to be considered enough. the 'effects' of the electronics in Ti books is EASILY felt by anyone who's willing to stop by my place and rest their finger on my Ti book's chassis... If the 'potential' of the battery (which is enough to kill you if attached to you heart) is being converted into other forms and or states of energy (and dissipating in 2 hours or less) - are we saying that "there is NO MEASURABLE affect on one's health"? and are we stating it as an indisputable fact? And are we saying that we understand the phenomenon life to the degree that we can state, as indisputable fact, that the RF in mobile electronics etc. have ONLY positive, beneficial, or neutral effects, with NO adverse affects whatsoever? > A good place to start is to actually study the scientific literature > on this. Suggestions? > What you'll find is that most of the popular statements are known to > be over-wrought to the point of fear-mongering. sometimes statements are just stated as conceptual conversational possibilities and sometimes the fearful blow things out of proportion... my original questions: my question would be - Is the 'heat' purely radiated infrared [thermal] heat? os does the computer emit any radio frequency waves of a high enough power to cause cumulative disruption of normal cellular functioning after considerably long exposure? after all - don't microwave ovens use high frequency electro-magnetic waves to cook food? > Bob Jacobsen (Bob_Jacobsen at lbl.gov, 510-486-7355, fax 510-495-2957) Respectfully, Luke Mazzeri (my credentials, if any, are not impressive, and will unquestionably have no more significance in 300 years than laptops and cellphones themselves) For an evening of thought-provoking background music... etyrnal.muzik http://www.mp3.com/lukeetyrnal etyrnal at ameritech.net