Am I the only one who thinks that this is getting a bit silly? It started with an amusing tale about someone grilling their gonads with a G4. (Actually we don't know that - I only said it for the alliteration.) C McD on 23/11/02 23:23, luke at etyrnal at ameritech.net wrote: > > On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 02:54 PM, Bob Jacobsen wrote: > >> So let's be quantitative about "much". The induced potentials of the >> maximum RF power density allowed by regulation (which is much larger >> than typical doses, including when transmitting antennae are placed >> against the head or lap) is more than a factor of 100,000 smaller than >> typical cellular potentials, > > cellular potentials being RF inside of cells? Do normal healthy human > cells generally emit or naturally contain RF? It seems like you are > saying that cells somehow generate / broadcast RF GREATER than that of > the cellphone... ?? Potential? > >> and more than a factor of 500 smaller than the fluctuations in those >> potentials due to living at room temperature. > > does room temperature create a state wherein RF is less stable? The > potential from the cells? What would be a good source for me to read > about the cellular potentials of which you specifically mentioned? > >> So "it doesn't take much", but the effects being talked about in this >> thread are very, very, very too small to be considered enough. > > the 'effects' of the electronics in Ti books is EASILY felt by anyone > who's willing to stop by my place and rest their finger on my Ti book's > chassis... If the 'potential' of the battery (which is enough to kill > you if attached to you heart) is being converted into other forms and > or states of energy (and dissipating in 2 hours or less) - are we > saying that "there is NO MEASURABLE affect on one's health"? and are > we stating it as an indisputable fact? And are we saying that we > understand the phenomenon life to the degree that we can state, as > indisputable fact, that the RF in mobile electronics etc. have ONLY > positive, beneficial, or neutral effects, with NO adverse affects > whatsoever? > >> A good place to start is to actually study the scientific literature >> on this. > > Suggestions? > >> What you'll find is that most of the popular statements are known to >> be over-wrought to the point of fear-mongering. > > sometimes statements are just stated as conceptual conversational > possibilities and sometimes the fearful blow things out of proportion... > > my original questions: > > my question would be - Is the 'heat' purely radiated infrared [thermal] > heat? os does the computer emit any radio frequency waves of a high > enough power to cause cumulative disruption of normal cellular > functioning after considerably long exposure? after all - don't > microwave ovens use high frequency electro-magnetic waves to cook food? > >> Bob Jacobsen (Bob_Jacobsen at lbl.gov, 510-486-7355, fax 510-495-2957) > > Respectfully, > Luke Mazzeri (my credentials, if any, are not impressive, and will > unquestionably have no more significance in 300 years than laptops and > cellphones themselves) > > > > For an evening of thought-provoking background music... > > etyrnal.muzik > http://www.mp3.com/lukeetyrnal > etyrnal at ameritech.net > > > ---------- > Check out the Titanium email list FAQ > http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/Titanium.html > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <Titanium-off at lists.themacintoshguy.com> > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > <Titanium-digest at lists.themacintoshguy.com> > Need help from a real person? Try. > <Titanium-request at lists.themacintoshguy.com> > > ---------- > $14.99 Unlimited Nationwide Mac Dialup and Mac Web Hosting from your Mac ISP > Serious Mac Internet Solutions From NineWire! http://macinternetaccess.com > > RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler > CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at <http://roadtools.com> > > Cyberian | Support this list when you buy at Outpost.com! > Outpost | http://www.themacintoshguy.com/outpost.shtml