According to Michael Bigley: >>>Jag's start up time is slower that the oft-complained about >>>startup times of early OS7 and OS8. >> >>Approximately 1 minute 20 seconds on my 667. What's yours do? > >Jag.5 is definitely faster in start up... about the same as you, >1:30 to login panel... however add 3 minutes from login to the end >of spinning beachball cursor and Finder has "found" itself... so I >have a 4:30 startup time total. I have had the extremely slow login >since the first Jag upgrade... Hello Michael, There might, i hope, be reasonable, safe, means to deal with that slow startup. I don't know if you have FileBuddy, or TinkerTool, or are averse to booting into 9 and using Sherlock with visibility set to "All", but, trashing all copies of the file called .GlobalPreferences.plist is a good place to start. It is amazing how few prefs are affected, despite the 'global' moniker. Don't forget the 'dot' before 'global'. There are copies in Library/Preferences, and ~/Library/Preferences. Also, under the "Network" pane in Sys Prefs, the box marked 'show' should only contain the network connect port configuration one is actually using. in my case i use dsl, so under 'Show' I see "Built-in Ethernet' and if i click it, and look at 'Network Port Configurations' i see that only 'Built-in Ethernet' has a check mark. If i used FaxStf or something requiring a dialup, then the second item, under Built-in Ethernet, would be 'Internal modem' with a check. One can delete the unused port configs without trouble, as if an IrDA, etc, is added later, there's a 'Revert' box. On startup, the Mac polls all the checked ports, so superfluous port configs=waste of time and CPU cycles. And, last but not least, many apps work perfectly well without their 'added-in' items that show up in 'Login Items', also in Sys Prefs. Also, and i cannot stress enough, even a 'light', or 'moderate'-rated amount of disk fragmentation will slow down boot times. Always. no exceptions. My restarts and 'cold' boots are, on average, 20 to 25% faster after defragging. For a file system, OSX, that sports a 'myth' that fragmentation 'isn't an issue', I have to wonder, based on consistent, real-world results. You probably already knew all this, but there's always our beloved 'lurkers' out there :=) ~flipper