4:30 startup time is way out of line. I strongly suspect you never had a good original install if it takes that long. I suggest you start over and do a "clean-install" of Jaguar then run the 10.2.5 Combo updater. That ought to put some snap in your startup. Good Luck. -Joel > I have > a 4:30 startup time total. I have had the extremely slow login since > the first Jag upgrade...