According to XXL: >4:30 startup time is way out of line. I strongly suspect you never had a >good original install if it takes that long. I suggest you start over and >do a "clean-install" of Jaguar then run the 10.2.5 Combo updater. That >ought to put some snap in your startup. Good Luck. >-Joel > > >> I have >> a 4:30 startup time total. I have had the extremely slow login since > > the first Jag upgrade... It sounds like a fragmented drive is a big part of the problem. My guess: Severe. If you take the advice and re-install using ANY install method, you'll wind up with an OS that is even more severely fragmented. Not good at all. De-frag, rebuild th e Directory, reboot, and see if a re-install is necessary...first. ~flipper