Tarik Bilgin paused, thought it over, and spoke thusly: >sorry had no idea flipper. > >do you prefer SF? > >or san fran? > >what's derogatory about it out of interest? > >I think I got that name from Otis Redding's Sitting on the dock of the bay. > >also another curious note -- the development webserver here is >called frisco :) Hi Tarik, It's funny, but in all my life I've always heard it referred to as The City. In a way that LA would never be, same for Chicago, or New York City. I would imagine that gold miners started calling it 'Frisco', but I could be wrong. For those who were born there it has always been a real 'outsiders' term. I didn't take your perfectly benign reference personally, I only pointed out the 'nature' of the word so that you could avoid it. I think a visit to the City would probably explain everything. When I was young [around 7 or 8, my family visited their closest friends in the east bay, and even then, when we'd be returning, coming back from through the Oakland/Berkeley Hills, the first sight of the City, across the Bay, just sitting there, was amazing to me. It's terribly hard to explain. As for dear, lost Otis, he had a way of saying frisco that didn't seem at all out of touch with his humane, soulful being. I had tickets to see him headline the New year's Eve show at the Winterland [a hockey rink that Bill Graham rented 6 nights a week, back in the day], the year Otis died in a plane crash. I believe he died in early-mid [?] December. The news was heartbreaking. I'll wrap this way Off Topic thread with my assurance that i only passed the comment to you because i knew the usage of the slang was inadvertent. had it been otherwise, i would have ignored it. San Francisco is a multi-syllable word that pretty well 'begs' to be shortened, even i see that . :=) ~flipper