Greetings, all; I have a user I support who has an 800MHz Ti and I can't for the life of me get the sound to work. I did a completely clean install of OS 10.2 (wiping the drive first), then took him up to 10.2.5 via the Apple Update CD. Going to the sound control panel it shows no devices for input or output. Under soundeffects you can see the sounds but they are grayed out. I have: repaired permissions re-set the NVRAM blown the PRAM replaced the AppleOnboardAudio.kext file from a known-good system Sound works properly from OS 9. It may have worked properly before he installed RealAudio; he can't remember. Is there a way to uninstall RA to test this? Thanks for any and all advice; this has been driving both of us crazy. ...Mike -- Mike Gould - Mac Maven, Wireless Wonk University of Michigan School of Education 734 647 2019 The sound of one hand clicking...