At 2:12 am -0800 2/2/03, Jeffrey K. Lew wrote: >> >>Hit the reset button in the back. >> >>Pull the battery and plug AC in it and hold the button 20 seconds or so. >> >>> > >Holding the Ti's reset button in for more than a few seconds is one >of the ways to fry the logic board, per Apple. You're supposed to >push and release the button, then wait for 5 seconds, then attempt to >restart. That is a moot point. Here's Apple's advice from AppleCare doc # 14449 at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=14449&SaveKCWindowURL=http%3A%2F% 2Fkbase.info.apple.com%2Fcgi-bin%2FWebObjects%2Fkbase.woa%2Fwa%2FSaveKCToHomePag e&searchMode=Expert&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com&showButton=false&randomValue=100 &showSurvey=false&sessionID=anonymous|163397063#faq8: <QUOTE> PowerBook G4 and PowerBook G4 (Gigabit Ethernet) 1. If the computer is on, turn it off. 2. Press the reset button located on the rear panel of the computer between the external video and modem ports. 3. Wait 5 seconds. 4. Press the Power button to restart the computer. Note: Resetting the power manager also resets the date and time. After the reset, the system clock is set to 12:00 A.M., 01/01/1904. </QUOTE> It isn't clear whether the button needs to be held down or not. And in view of your warning, it is surprising that Apple doesn't mention any such risk. Nor does it mention removing the battery. Simon