Tarik writes: "let's face it boys and girls, as a rule we don't seem to mind (or at least tolerate) this list being used for [OT] threads about Macs in general, so including the new 'non Titianium' books in the Ti-Book list seems sensible to me :)" I agree -- or it might be retitled the "Laptop List," which is what it is. Tim Naegele www.naegele.com