Just FYI...here are some benchmarks and explanations for the 12" and 17" PBs compared to the various 15" models... including the 1Ghz and 800Ghz Ti, and and iBook 800 MHz. http://www.barefeats.com/pb17.html To quote: "Thanks to DDR memory and the GeForce4 440 Go graphics chip, the 17" PowerBook ran away with the Xbench Memory and OpenGL Graphics Tests*. However, it was no faster than the 15" TiBook (1GHz) in the CPU, Thread, and Quartz Graphics Tests. I threw in the results for the 15" TiBook 800 and the 12" iBook 800 to see how they compared to the 12" PowerBook 867, since those of you making a buying decision might be choosing between those three. To my surprise, the iBook 800 beat the 12" PowerBook and 15" TiBook 800 in the Quartz Graphics Test. And it came in above the 12" PowerBook and just behind the TiBook 800 in the CPU Test." TEST HARDWARE 17" Apple PowerBook 1GHz with 1GB of RAM 15" Apple PowerBook 1GHz with 1GB of RAM 12" Apple PowerBook 867MHz with 640MB of RAM 15" Apple PowerBook 800MHz with 1GB of RAM 12" Apple iBook 800MHz with 640MB of RAM Sort of interesting... Cheers Fred