On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 07:34 PM, PowerBook G4 Titanium List wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:08:28 -0500 (EST) > From: Henry Kalir <kalirhe at UMDNJ.EDU> > Subject: Re: [Ti] Market Share: 2.3% -- That's NOT good press, coupled > with > the loss > Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.10301171150530.28423-100000 at njmsa.umdnj.edu> > > On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Michael Bigley wrote: > [...] >> >> Add to that the actual number of Macs (and all computers) sold keeps >> growing, the whole market share myth is worse than the megahertz >> myth. When the actual number of Mac users starts falling that is >> cause for concern, but, in fact, it is growing... especially in the >> consumer end. > > From 5% of the market to 2.3%??? That's growth??? The message from Michael was that 5% of say 7 years ago is INDEED fewer computers than the 2.3% (make 3% though) of today. Should not be a surprise that % numbers are NOT absolute value. I'll take anytime 2.3% of a $1,000,000 over 5% of $10,000. Wouldn't you? >> >> In the mid-90s when software and hardware vendors start abandoning >> Apple, that was scary, but today, that trend is actually reversed, >> with more hardware and software options than ever before. Part of >> that has to do with Apple becoming more compliant, but also because >> companies are making money. > > Given your general line of reasoning, why should this be "scary"? As > some > here seem to say - "whatever we don't have on the Mac is obviously > something that is not needed or important"... > That WAS scary because lack of new development means stagnation. The reasoning was that if an application was missing, was missing period. Now the leitmotiv is: is it missing today? Look: they are releasing a better product in 2 months! And Apple has take its own destiny in hands: Safari and Keynote. That is a direct blow to Micro$oft guts. I would not be surprised to see a major overhaul of AppleWorks to provide better than Word and better than Excell product before the end of the year. > > Folks...PLEASE...Apple needs to work on an OS that can take ANY Windoze > application and run it just as good or BETTER on the Mac OS (like being > able to play the same record on a superior HI FI...or whatever > appropriate > analogy you care for) so that PC users (NOT you, the converted!!!) will > say" Hey! NEAT...I might as well get a Mac and run all my applications > and > then some on it". An increase in market share is not just GOOD, it's a > MUST for Apple to survive. STOP deluding yourselves... TY for > listening. > Henry, that would ONLY be possible if Apple would adopt an x86 chip on its mother board. The only current way a Mac could run ANY Windoze app is via VirtualPC. Are you suggesting the future of Apple is by adopting Intel x86. Boy I am glad it's not you at the help of Apple ;-) The PC user is converted (and I have 9 switcher on my account myself) or is convinced to switch if what he can do on the PC can be done better on a Mac (like having Unix underpin without need double reboot with a Linux partition for example). Granted, my 9 switcher colleagues were all bogged down by living on a PC which were forcing them to reboot few times a day and go through converting file to/fro Windows/Linux. Seeing I could do the same faster and without needing conversions (actually using drag&drop most of the times) on my Titanium bought them over. It was the better use and more efficient, not the fact that they could run the same PowerPoint or Word or access a Unix cluster or having a X11 application opening a window on their screen. They had that already using Exceed on Windows. It was the BETTER and more EFFICIENT experience that made them to switch. The analogy with the Hi-Fi does not hold: The PC user perceive he gets at least the same with less money. He should perceive that no matter how much money he could put on the PC he will not be able to reproduce the quality or ease of use of a Mac. If all the PC user could do is run the very same applications why should he ditch his PC and spend money on a Mac to get the SAME thing???? If all I could show to my colleagues was the equivalent of Exceed and I had to reboot to get on Unix would have they switched? No way: they would have laughed at me and told me: "I spent 1 third of what you have spent to do the same thing. Have more respect of your money, buddy!" Instead the reaction was: "Boy, I CANNOT do that on my PC!!!!" Cheers -- Massimo Marino, Ph.D. NERSC Division - HPC Department Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory http://www.slac.stanford.edu/~marino On leave at CERN, CH, EP Division, Atlas experiment phone: (+41) 22 767-1288 fax: (+41) 22 767-8350 Office: 40-3-D16 alternate email: marino at slac.stanford.edu, marino at mail.cern.ch, Massimo.Marino at cern.ch