Yes I am surprised you could call l the TiPB series rugged. in fact they are fragile , especially when you travel through those post "september 11 2001" airports. We have 3 x G4 macs two of which are Ti's. Here's my response to "rugged" - pleaseeee! I don't agree .. and here's my experiences so far for the punter who wants to buy one.. DO it (but a TI ASAP) but take care of it. (1) my Ti667PB rev 2... - paint comes off the Ti667 around the keyboard area. (BTW so did the paint on 3 IBM 600 TP's I had) - I have had 2 replacements since the original at the end of 2001 (dec). THe large plastic piece light grey assembly under that hold the thing together crack easily.. the hinges took a beating when I dropped the TiPB in a padded LAPTOP case.. funny eh? It cost be $HK2200 to get that fixed each time. - the Lid (screen) has a ding in it from some idiot at a us airport that banged it around an xray machine - yep I have specially made double lined VELVET sleaves to protect the TI667 and a PELICAN waterproof- heavily sponged laptop case.. yes I am paranoid it will break when I need it on a business trip. - other scratches on this one i'm using right now - airline seats that suddenly are rolled back on you i ECONOMY class (no one travels bus class these days hey!) - the battery fells out a few times and cracked. - heavily scuffed areas for the DVD and PCMIA slot... yes there more.... - the faulty track pad - two replacement (as above for his baby). - the base does not fit together properly - beats me why.. - oh and the power supply (the white fella) has the TiPB end falls apart.. - dammed hopeless) - oh year and the 3-4 keyboard 'condoms" I have used to protect the screen fro the keyboard.. now I use a piece of A4 paper.. does the job ok. - and there more..... Rugged???? .. not so far. (2) and then there the BRAND NEW TiPB 300mm (12inches) aluminium PB sitting right next to me (this Ti667) .. well lets see how rugged that is. - 3 weeks old and hardly taken any where, it has scuff marks and scratches on it. - it is my girlrfiend's and she has it in a heavily padded soft bag we bought from the apple shop - just for this job - the lid is starting to feel like it's gonna flop off - yep we'll take it back. - oh yeah and it get so dammed hot when VPC or LIGHTWAVE gets a hold of the CPU that it is too hot to use as a LAPTOP because it may cause heat burns or irritation on your upper legs..the TIPB 12inches aluminium PB gets very very hot.. (yes I think I will deploy all that old asbestos and make a mat for this new baby for our legs). -sarcasm aside.... Rugged??? not at all. I love these TI's!!! ..... and will do what it takes NEVER to go back to the dammed pc laptops.. However I can say that my pre -TiPB days I had 3 x IBM 600 laptops. One fell 4m from a floor , was cracked on the screen but still works today (with the bend keyboard). Another still worked after I threw it against a wall in the office in a deep rage after windows 2000 failed to save 1 days worth of work and as you all know 'removed the file" the microsoft app i used took a programme =-check!.. Yes that so called "piece-of-excreta" still works as well! - YES those IBM laptop machines were robust and rugged and handle airports and frustrated users of windows2000 very well.. perhaps that's why they are well build I s'pose. I am looking forward to replacing this TiPB wit the rumoured G5 later in 2004. I appreciate the ellegance and head turning affect a TIPB has on those poor windows sods.. and YES I will take very good care of it as I have done with this TiPB667. TIPB's are wonderful - I love 'em to death BUT.. they are not rugged. w On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 02:53 PM, c.buttimer at mdx.ac.uk wrote: >> The Ti is rugid and excellent, and I would recommend it to anyone. I >> waited >> before buying one too, but Apple seems to be putting out excellent >> products >> and, by and large, their AppleCare assistance is very good. At some >> point I >> expect to buy a Big Al, and would not consider it if I was not >> pleased. >> >> Tim Naegele > First time I've heard the Ti described as rugged! I should say my one > is > 2001, not 2000 (time flies) and that the paint didn't immediately > flake but > did so after a year or so. No change in circumstances by the way, > carried in > a custom bag from day one. 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