You're exactly right Dave. It took me a few hours to poke around (and learn) and figured that out. Many chat forums with Panther threads have been contacted by Apple and they've been removed from those sites. I went ahead and put Jaguar back on my Ti (even though I could have bought a new Ti with the money I spent to get Panther from WWDC) and will eagerly wait Panthers official release. Loren > -----Original Message----- > From: PowerBook G4 Titanium List > [mailto:Titanium at lists.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of David Remahl > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:04 AM > To: PowerBook G4 Titanium List > Subject: Re: [Ti] Panther anyone? > > Messages like Loren's are the _exact_ reason why the NDA is needed! > Academic discussions between developers don't really matter, but when > someone posts to a group that includes people less familiar with beta > practices, claiming that panther crashes, is slow and lacks support for > this and that - that is when it harms Apple! > > By the way, boot time has never "taken for ever", and it is really no > big deal considering waking from sleep takes just a second. > > There are no beta email groups, because the NDA you must have signed to > legally get your Panther copy forbids discussing the prototype even > with other NDA signers. This is a problem for programmers who have > problem with the new version, but are unable to discuss it on the Apple > hosted mailing lists. > > Lets not discuss Panther until it has been publicly released... > > / Regards, David Remahl > > On lördag 19 juli 2003, at 08.48AM, Glenn L. Austin wrote: > > > on 7/18/2003 9:44 PM, Loren at loren at flash.net wrote: > > > >> The update won't fix SMB :( > >> And it still takes forever to boot. > >> Does anybody here know of any beta email groups? > > > > I think that, since Panther is still beta, that it is covered under > > NDA? > > > > You might want to consider that before discussing it on public lists... > > ---------- > Check out the Titanium email list FAQ > http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/Titanium.html > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <Titanium-off at lists.themacintoshguy.com> > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to <Titanium- > digest at lists.themacintoshguy.com> > Need help from a real person? Try. <Titanium- > request at lists.themacintoshguy.com> > > ---------- > $14.99 Unlimited Nationwide Mac Dialup and Mac Web Hosting from your Mac > ISP > Serious Mac Internet Solutions From NineWire! > http://macinternetaccess.com > > RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler > CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at <http://roadtools.com> > > Cyberian | Support this list when you buy at Outpost.com! > Outpost | http://www.themacintoshguy.com/outpost.shtml