Well I have been generally happy with the panther so far. But I have found a few glitches to my upgrade, but I solved them. One was some files that should have been in the /Library folder were not there and so I had to create some folders and drop the .bundle files in. There seems to be some app's that the passwords were forgotten, so now I will reenter them. Nothing to overwhelming. cheers, tim tim.molnar Digital Tao http://www.digitaltao.ca 306.585.3666 tam at em.ca