While Apple is a company, the last time I checked companies employ people. I imagine that there are quite a few developers and testers at Apple who have taken the "pulling" of the 10.2.8 update personally, and would like to be able to "set things right." Griping about Apple won't get the fix any sooner, and those of us who are successfully using 10.2.8 don't appreciate it either. -- Glenn L. Austin <>< Computer Wizard and Race Car Driver <glenn at austin-home.com> <http://www.austin-home.com/glenn/>