mac2 mail paused, thought it over, and spoke thusly: >I presume you are using a photoshop 8 beta? Yes. There are probably a few versions in different developer's beta releases right now, I'm not sure how many. But, after testing it with KPT Collection, Retouch, DreamSuite, AlienSkin, AutoFX, and all the nik and Extensis plugins from the Version 7 Photoshop, I pronounce it all-the-way-ready-for-Prime-Time. :=) I have not always been exactly a huge fan of Adobe. I heard they were ending Mac development for After Effects, and...so what <laughs>. We have Final Cut Pro, and the only thing more powerful than that is the full 40 to 80 grand version of Avid. And Illustrator? I'll take FreeHand any day of the week. And the Quark-haters can have my copy of InDesign, with my blessing, it'll never replace Quark. I wouldn't use InDesign on principle (in addition to its inability to truly import highly technical Quark docs properly), after what Adobe did with PageMaker. They stifle competition and innovation, just like a little Microsoft. Apple does, too, in a way. But, Adobe came out with three things that really altered the landscape: Postscript, Photoshop, and Acrobat. And, as Jake said in 'Chinatown', "When you're right, you're right, and...you're right." Acrobat 6 Pro is a killer app, and so is Photoshop. I just wish Adobe would come out with a font management utility for OS X, because there isn't one that actually works with pro-level numbers of fonts, yet. Maybe Panther's font management is better, I hope so. Postscript (which is taken for granted) is right up there with the Mac GUI and Expander :=) this morning's $0.02 ~flipper