On Jan 27, 2004, at 7:43 AM, Robert Nicholson wrote: > I believe I've added value to this forum. > > How can I use the program if I don't have a .mac subscription. > > Looking at <http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/backup.html> it does say: System Requirements: — Mac OS X 10.2 or later — Active .Mac account So it would seem that Apple is being quite up front about the need to have a .Mac account (although from what I've observed this is not rigidly enforced and you can use Backup even when you're offline and/or you have deleted your .Mac account info). I guess the bottom line is: if you don't like the terms and conditions then use one of the many other options that are better suited to your needs. Paul