On Jan 27, 2004, at 10:42 AM, rob morris wrote: >> How can I use the program if I don't have a .mac subscription. > You don't...you can't. It comes with the subscription to .mac. > "Backup" is not for sale as software. It is not provided as stand > alone backup software. It is designed to be used with the service > much like other parts of other services. It is not leased software, > it is just one piece of a...... Actually, that's not entirely accurate. You can build your own .Mac server by following the information in these two links, and use the Backup software without buying a subscription to .Mac: http://www.drijf.net/dototto/wwwmac.html and http://www.drijf.net/dototto/index.html I don't know about legalities, and I haven't read the license for Backup in detail. I did set up a pseudo .Mac server as an experiment on an XServe, and it worked fine despite what this guy claims about OS X "not being a good choice". As far as any of this software being "proprietary", what's the big deal? OS X itself is proprietary, despite having an open source core. I use .Mac and am a happy user of the service. You basically have three options; * Pay for .Mac and use it * Build a hack like the examples shown in the above links * Don't use it and find something else The whole service uses standard protocols, and IMHO, whether or not Backup is proprietary is a non-issue. Safari, Mail, iTunes, iPhoto, and all the rest of the software included in OS X is proprietary too. If that bothers a person, they should possibly switch to using something else, like linux or FreeBSD. -- Chris