Yes the 9200 is similar to the 90000, but Apple doesn't list the iBook as having the supported hardware. From the Core Image part of the Tiger preview: "These cards are available in today’s PowerBooks, Power Mac G5s and both the 17-inch and 20-inch iMac" The iBook and eMac aren't listed as having the supported graphics hardware. So it looks as if us last gen Ti users, iBook users, and eMac users are in the same hole. In a manner of speaking. However I wouldn't be surprised if Apple scaled back Core Image somehow. I mean it just seems like they're cutting out a lot of machines including all of their current model consumer minded machines. Leander TiPowerBook Stats TiPB 867Mhz 1 GB RAM 40 GB HDD On Jun 29, 2004, at 2:41 AM, Tristan Gulyas wrote: From the readme on the developer preview, it lists a requirement of having a built-in firewire port. This definitely rules out any pre-Pismo PowerBook G3s from running the OS (officially) - it may still be possible, as with Panther on the Wallstreet models (see http://waffle.wootest.net/past/04/04/18/ installing_panther_on_your_wallstreet_powerbook_g3/) As I'm about to toss some cash into a new LCD panel for my 1GHz tibook, I'm also worried about Core Image and its support for my humble machine. I wouldn't be too concerned as the current generation of iBooks use the Radeon 9200 which is similar in feature set to the 9000. I would, however, be worried that the next requirement would be a G4. Not a problem for us tibook users, but it will pose an issue for iBook users. Needless to say, judging by the description, it'll work - just slowly - and it may not look as visually stunning if your graphics hardware doesn't support it. Remember that the Pismo is still an officially supported machine (my advice to any Pismo users would be to investigate the sale of their machines before it's too late!!). .t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leander Hutton" <lh59281 at appstate.edu> To: "PowerBook G4 Titanium List" <Titanium at lists.themacintoshguy.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:58 PM Subject: [Ti] [semi - OT] Tiger - Core Image Graphics > Anyone else here read the system requirements for Core Image? It > seems a little steep but it makes sense since that it very demanding > of the GPU. > > I wonder what Apple means by "The performance gains and features > supported by Core Image ultimately depend on the graphics card. > Graphics cards capable of pixel-level programming deliver the best > performance. But Core Image automatically scales as appropriate for > systems with older graphics cards, for compatibility with any > Tiger-compatible Mac." > > Does that mean that Core Image will still run (just without some of > the bells and whistles) on the Radeon 9000 in the last revision of the > Tis or does it mean it will be like Quartz Extreme and cut off on any > graphics cards that doesn't meet it's requirements? > > I also wonder where Apple is going to draw the compatibility line this > time. In Panther they dropped all no USB native Macs. Anyone heard > anything about Tiger's minimum system requirements? > > > Thanks > Leander > > > ---------- > Check out the Titanium email list FAQ > http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/Titanium.html > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <Titanium-off at lists.themacintoshguy.com> > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > <Titanium-digest at lists.themacintoshguy.com> > Need help from a real person? Try. > <Titanium-request at lists.themacintoshguy.com> > > ---------- > $14.99 Unlimited Nationwide Mac Dialup and Mac Web Hosting from your > Mac ISP Serious Mac Internet Solutions From NineWire! > http://macinternetaccess.com > > RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler > CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at <http://roadtools.com> > > Cyberian | Support this list when you buy at Outpost.com! > Outpost | http://www.themacintoshguy.com/outpost.shtml ---------- Check out the Titanium email list FAQ http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/Titanium.html To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <Titanium-off at lists.themacintoshguy.com> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to <Titanium-digest at lists.themacintoshguy.com> Need help from a real person? Try. <Titanium-request at lists.themacintoshguy.com> ---------- $14.99 Unlimited Nationwide Mac Dialup and Mac Web Hosting from your Mac ISP Serious Mac Internet Solutions From NineWire! http://macinternetaccess.com RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at <http://roadtools.com> Cyberian | Support this list when you buy at Outpost.com! Outpost | http://www.themacintoshguy.com/outpost.shtml