I just got one of the 15" 1.25Ghz refurbs from the Apple Store. Display is perfect, no stuck pixels. Even though everything I read said it would have 2 256Mb memory cards installed, it came with one 512Mb card and one empty slot. Pleasant surprise. It had 10.2.x installed and came with an install/restore DVD for Panther along with iLife '04. Everything about it seems perfect as far as I can tell, but as my brother says, the fact that I broke down and bought one means that new models will be announced shortly ;-) -- Steve Martin Smart Calibration, LLC http://www.smartcalibration.com/