Kim Gammelgaard paused, thought it over, and spoke thusly: >Interesting!, I guess that you have not run Repair Permissions lately then, >and have changed permissions quite seriously. (did you do a 777 on /var/log >or something? ) No, just set the alias as : per sudo periodic daily weekly monthly so I type per <enter> and get the prompt for password, <type password> <Enter> done you can pop a hyphen onto the alias (in .tcshrc) and have it pipe the daily, weekly, and monthly output files to more. but the files are boring, and there's a boatload of them, in both the current file, and the .gz'd files. Every couple months I'll cd over to /private/var/log and do the ol' rm *.gz to get rid of all the flotsam. I run Repair Permissions everytime I install anything that requires 'authentication', that's installer-talk for we're gonna sudo around, change a few permissions, etc... ~flipper