Thank you everyone for your thoughts and ideas. I'm glad we're not the only ones (of course, I'm also sorry that we're not the only ones.) I do hope Apple will sort some of this out in a forthcoming iteration - the sooner the better. I appreciated the comments about approaching the developers, managers, etc... of the companies. I'll try that with the more important ones. Thanks. I'm off to try to get Camino first, then I'll try Firefox. Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com