Well said. Thank you for articulating this so well. When Apple moved to IBM from Motorola, I was very happy because Motorola wasn't able (or willing) to commit the resources to give Apple what it needed to compete. I had high hopes for the Apple/IBM alliance. The G5 is a brilliant technology that should have performed better. Now we see that IBM had other priorities, too. Being a closet conspiracy theorist, I have to wonder if Microsoft chose IBM to supply processors for its next X-Box not only because it had a good processor, but also to mess with Apple. Still in all, I love the two G5 2.5 GHz DP Macs that I use at work. I also love the iMac G5 2.0 GHz 20" that I just bought for home. Even with today's announcement, I have no regrets for investing in them and I expect to continue to use them for many years. They still work just as well as they did yesterday, before the Intel switch was announced. That announcement doesn't change anything about the Mac experience. They are great computers with an incredible operating system that perform well and consistently deliver in extreme computing environments -- 3D modeling/animation, video editing, hi-res photo manipulation, color management, etc. I admit to struggling with the idea of Apple collaborating with the "enemy." It will take a little time to get past this. I know that Intel is not the same as Microsoft, but they tended to be grouped together. I agree with those who think this is a good move, but I still feel a loss that Apple will not be using RISC processors. Maybe the distinction between RISC and CISC is not as well defined or relevant any longer, I don't know. I'm not a hardware guy as much as a graphic designer who enjoys the superiority of my tools. Still RISC processors is part of what made Macs special compared to the mediocre stuff generically known as PCs or Wintel boxes. When this news hits the media, there will be a lot of misinformation. I'm waiting for the first person to ask me about running MacOS X on their homebuilt PC. I hope that will never happen. I don't want the MacOS to try to be all things to all computer hardware. That's what sucks about Windows. Let's hope Apple keeps the Mac a Lexus compared to all the PC Chevys out there. ------------------------------------------------------------- Ronald Woodland -- St. George, Utah 84770 ------------------------------------------------------------- This email is a natural human product. Slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and should in no way be considered flaws or defects. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- On Jun 6, 2005, at 2:30 PM, MBurke6225 at aol.com wrote: Apple is not a computer, it's not a chip or even a platform. Apple is a group of designers, engineers, developers and users who have always danced on the bleeding edge of technology and have been doing so since the late 1970's. That will not change. The common denominator is we are "extreme" computer users. We love being extreme; being ~3% of the market. Why? Because our computers are the most stable out there. They have been and will continue to be a thing of beauty...and we marvel at the beauty. Jobs and the kids were held hostage by IBM market forces. The writing was on the wall when XBox and other game platforms based their systems on the same IBM chip. Apple was elbowed out. I, for one, am going to look to the future BECAUSE of the past. PC's will continue to suck. Their OS will continue to be unstable. And they will still want to be Macs. The people in charge at Apple made a move today that gives a future back to Apple Computer. Brilliant really, think about it. The real question is how many of us "users" and "developers" are going to be a part in building this future. Well count me in. I transition out of computers every two years. In fact tomorrow I a purchasing a 15" aluminum for my daughter. You can call that stupid, or you can think of it like I do...investing into the future of "extreme" computing. Long live Apple. MBurke _______________________________________________ Titanium mailing list Titanium at listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984